In a hard sealed full container (no vent), it should last a while. either place it will be removed at oil change. Comment? It only takes a few ounces of Sounds like MMO might be a cheap, simple compromise if I decide to go that route. Some will make it to the screen, but The thing is, most old engines have been rebuilt with hardened valve seats. Or did you purchase a vehicle in January and feel lucky you locked it in before prices rose higher through February? 80/87 has 0.50 ml TEL [tetra-ethyl lead] per gallon and is dyed RED, 91/96 has 2.00 ml TEL per gallon and is dyed BLUE, 100LL has 2.00 ml TEL per gallon and is dyed BLUE, 100/130 has 3.00 ml TEL per gallon and is dyed GREEN, 115/145 has 4.60 ml TEL per gallon and is dyed PURPLE. This cleans the carbon and sludge collected in Well, I've been using MMO for many years now, along with Rislone. It happened quite a bit back in those days. Ryan has got more than 15 years in the auto industry. ADDED TO ENGINE OIL:Use Marvel Mystery Oil or Marvel Ultimate Oil in the crankcase to enhance oil lubrication and sludge control. Low HP cars are doing these grades in low gears barely making 40MPH. More sharing options. Made an exceptional difference on a 4.3L GM engine with 40K of mostly in town driving. Could you share with us your experience of using this MMO in the comment box below? So I guess the question comes down like this: Using Marvel mystery oil in your fuel extends the life of these vital components by providing them with lubrication that fuel alone does not provide. Sale. Yours will never break its valve seats due to anything that might be related to lead in the gas. free then up. An average passenger car tank is 15 gallons so you would add 6 ounces at every fill-up. Posted March 3, 2018. The best use I found for it still applies to today's engines and that is to add a quart to 20 gallons of fuel before a road trip. Right. As a moderately priced precaution, I add 4 oz of Marvel Mystery Oil, and 1 oz of Alemite CD-2 for each 10 gallons of gas. Back then the thing from GMto watch for was "not available with C60 " that meant it was something special (not always in a good way but.) andoften with a grand or more option price (remember pricing a '69 Camaro when overseas. Are unneeded now but have not seen any more efficient valve shapes, rather 4 valve cyls are now common (except for hemis which cannot without very expensive valvetrains). When the Cub engines went down to idle speed in It doesn't have lead, and I'd suppose it is not legal to add lead as it is an environmental toxin. The engine is very quiet and responsive. them my engine had quit and would they please send someone out to give me Not sure if still available but have a few years supply. Copyright 2023, Antique Automobile Club of America. You are actually in error on many of your assumptions. Yes, lead lubricates the upper cylinder head, but just because you use unleaded fuel doesn't necessarily mean your car lacks lubrication. for every 10 gallons of gasoline. Don't encourage someone to do something illegal. TEL had been identified chemically in the mid-19th century, but its antiknock. Are cars nowadays wanting for top cyl lubrication with unleaded gas? The quality of oils and the precise metering of fuel has nearly eliminated the varnish and gumming problems for cars driven under normal conditions. I'm not sure there are any Lead additives anymore, anyway it is illegal to use leaded fuel on any vehicle driven on a public road, street, HWY, Motorway, or FWY. Cleaning firearms with Marvel Mystery Oil? This additive also enhances the vehicles fuel economy and minimizes the noise produced by the fuel injectors. I have a 2006 that I use MM oil in both oil and gas but wanted verification it won;t be detrimental to newerengines. MY 86 CJ-7 NEEDED THE HEAD GASKET REPLACED. When valves are beginning to stick, it will The biggest problem with E-10 crap fuel is the hydroscopic action of the alcohol. It's easy! Be careful and informed out there!! Inquiring minds want to So does Amazon if you click through to that store. Couldn't keep it running. 100LL. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for NEW 2022 M2 Machines Marvel Mystery Oil *1949 MERCURY CUSTOM* Lead Sled # R 91 at the best online prices at eBay! I found that the airplane motor crowd uses it for top cyl lubrication, but i don't know if there's necessarily much correlation between airplane and car engines in this area. It can scare you, though. Yes, it does, but only if the excess consumption is a result of carbon buildup. Ortho Dichlorobenzene, a softening and removing agent for carbon-based contamination on metal surfaces, 0.1-1.0%[2] load up with straight mogas before it was adulterated for highway use. 1. Hampton Airfield 7B3 is located on the New Hampshire seacoast, not do their job. by the five-gallon jug to use in my lawnmower, chainsaw, and snowblower. reserved. MMO isno mystery. Along with being better fuel, I make sure it flows through the carb as fast as possible. This is a fuel additive specifically designed to Unleaded was just coming in on the Australian market then and I was told it did the same. If not removed, these carbons might cause engine damage. Like several other similar products that date back several decades Marvel Mystery Oil seems to be a legitimate detergent additive that will reduce varnish and gumming in an engine. I use it in everything but a modern car that strictly specifies premium. It was a big problem! Lead was added to gasoline to deposit a metallic cushion and lubricating film on exhaust valves way back in the early days of auto and aviation engines. paint job, and is difficult to carry it with you in the airplane. As an oil additive, you replace up to 20 percent. Benzene actually used to be in gas as an octane booster (it was also used as an aftershave for a while - which is scary considering how carcingenic it is). Lead was an octane booster. -- Daniel Ford, by Robert Parker (Piper Cub Builders List). on a high time engine; about half TBO or less should be the The size of the valves was only increased from 1.625 to 1.628 to give a little more margin and help them run cooler in the leaner mixtures. Are available for most engines now and should be considered whenever a head come off. What power steering fluid is compatible with 89021184? Is Marvel Mystery Oil good or bad for your car? Some people swear by it, some people swear at it, Obviously I had a dirty injector and MMO cleaned it fairly quick.Im at 230k miles now and do a maintenance dose at each fill up and cruising good. I use Marvel in the fuel in my A.C. WD-45 tractor. I have wondered what adding MMO does to your 5w-20 as well. Send me an Problem with regular Marvel Mystery Oil is that it will combine with castor oil residue and, over a period of time, form a hard red crud. was any particular problem with lead fouling the sparkplugs, but if there That's probably more than you wanted to know about benzene - and I don't know why I remembered it. Of course, when unleaded fuel came out, there was no bromide has to be at a certain temperature to work correctly. I am bringing this discussion out of the archives. I just knew I had thrown a rod! That hot topic debate was even earlier in the 70's. Bob's article is followed by an email I received from Terry Lutz, expanding on Marvel and the alternative TCP. More than that, he used it in the fuel with every fillup. All kinds of power that I didn't have before. The mileage appears to be 34,000. The truck is strong as new. Copyright 2023, Antique Automobile Club of America. This oil was very useful in older aircraft engines to scavenge lead deposits. Both are high in detergents Aluminized head retards build up of deposits and chrome plated stem reduces scuffing and wear. which again left me at the far end of the runway without power. Marvel Mystery Oil is top end lubricant , not an octane booster. I think the can looks neat. It was used to scavenge trace and unburned particles out of the fuel after combustion. They have quarts of Marvel mystery oil for about $2.00 each. | Sail Alaska's coast cut-off time, for first use. Marvel mystery oil lubricates the entire fuel system-fuel pumps, fuel injectors or carburetors and the top portion of the cylinders. Marvel Mystery Oil is a blend of mineral oils, which are a byproduct of the fractional distillation process used to make gasoline. Free shipping for many products! By I use it some times for short term preservation because I like the smell. Instead of a 'lead substitute', try Marvel mystery oil. Discussion in 'Old's Cool' started by lucky6600, Dec 1, 2010. further need for TCP. You probably wont be able to tell any difference, but I do this on occasion and it makes me feel better. to be raised substantially. Re: Marvel Mystery Oil and E10 in our small engines. You know, MMO smells just like scarlet balsam, which is an old timey wound treatment for horses. But the instructors hated it, one lad especially who got Paul the reason I said the middle 70's was because we all got concerned that the gov. There is a very good article on RVP and specific gravities as well as othe things relative to custom blending of racing fuels available from Torco and I beleive Sunoco has some litteriture also. Many are getting 400k out of these truck easily. I was more referring to the "sky is falling" warnings that were circulating when "leaded" fuel (not much lead left by then) finally disappeared. I fitted another head which had good seats and valves, freshly out of the machine shop. AMC generally did not have head problems other then those 73/74 heads, which most people learn to stay away from. This oil helps to prevent bad gas millage by removing fuel residues from fuel injectors and carburetors, lubricating and cleaning pistons, intake valves, and cylinders, and eliminating fuel residues in fuel injectors and carburetors. Puts me in a bit of a pickle! It can be used as a fuel additive by mixing it with the gasoline in your tank. Looks like the 185 hp version was used in larger straight trucks. Therefore, important engine components will not be adequately lubricated. The first pick in our list is the MM13R. It does work well though to remove the sludge in the oil pan. So, whats the verdict? You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. in the bottom of the oil kidney. Use additives if you want, it won't hurt the engine. There is not really any difference in the seat area. It is recommended that you use Marvel Mystery oil in your fuel system every time you fill up your vehicle. At the instant of Websites 1997-2019 Daniel Ford; all rights Its formula contains an oil-thinning ability that solves this problem. These little powerplants use a mixture of methanol and nitromethane. Personally, I was sorry to see the mogas go, because I bought it A 2 cycle oil is designed to burn. However, nowhere on their website, nor in any information I have seen, is the claim that it can replace lead substitutes. If screen type system, be sure to clean screen. The metal parts of your engine rust over time and eventually fail. The 327 engine has valves faced with cobalt-based alloy for long valve life. I do the same for the '65 Corvair, '37 Buick Roadmaster, and '88 Corvette. Oct 11, 2006 . fouling syndrome. and on the spark plug. normal drop. | Facebook I am no idiot, I have had the experience and it was a properly measured and documented approach I took. Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 Next > lucky6600, Dec 1, 2010 #1. lucky6600 Long timer. Which brings up an interesting topic: yes most mass production engines under about 10:1 compression and 4" bore (see "flame propagation rates") are reasonably safe under light duty on 93 PON. Used Marvel mystery oil on an oil change because lifters were sticking in my 94 trooper. This will prevent the formulation of sludge and varnish build-up in the crankcase. I presume this was about the most de-tuned version of the 327 (just my guess). TCP to treat 10 gallons of gas. You aren't driving your truck for racing (drag or track), pounding up steep hills day after day or abusing it in any way. venerable taildraggers. I don't see any pickle. In the winter, oil thickening can cause slow flow or sometimes not at all, putting a lot of strain on the engine. Thanks, PFitz. Motorcraft Coolant Equivalent: [Orange & Premium Gold], 1987 2022 Jeep Wrangler Oil Type And Oil Capacity Guide. MMO is basically mineral oil, thinner, and a dash of a chemical soap. The oil will soften the carbon buildup in the heads and on the stem side of the valves. Using the product is the best solution for extending the service life of rubber components. This site sets no cookies, but the Mailchimp sign-up service Marvel Mystery Oil is a product used to clean the fuel system of piston planes. Understanding that the various brands of what I call 'tin canisters, which are marketed under many names, worked to save valve seats by leaching tin into the fuel, I ordered one. These long and hard grades some at over 7% especially in summertime heat will really pound seats out if doing it on a daily basis. They did not live very long. Think about the whole scenerio . Where did you get your information. the carburetor as a droplet, broken up Anyone who has never tried them will decry them and put forward all sorts of 'proof' that they cannot work. He demonstrated by dipping his finger in it and in 5 seconds it had evaporated and left his fingerprint white. All your true octane booster that do any thing are toxic , highly toxic , which why they took them out of gasoline and will not sell you any that does much good. The 'lead replacement petrol' wasn't doing any good at all. And then I fitted the canister and drove another 50,000kms without having to touch a thing. to use Marvel Mystery Oil. Post in the forum instead. Then some guy tells him that 2-stroke oil like he uses in his chainsaws would be just as good or better -- and maybe cheaper too. Change the oil and filter regularly, take it out on the highway a few times a year and blow the carbon out and when required in 75 or 100 thousand miles when you have to open the engine check for valve seat recession and report back. But adding it to an engine with no issues offers no benefit and can actually create issues as it reacts with the materials some gaskets are made of. But how does it work? A good burn is difficult to achieve in an engine that always runs cool. I had a lot of trouble with my snow blower this year. Back in the late 1940s and early 1950s, at military air bases on cumbustion chamber walls, valve guides, around the valve stem, I don't remember hearinganything about valve seat recession from the mechanics I hung around with,. including the guys who did marine engine rebuilding, fire departmentcompetition trucks,and race engines. Remember too, All content of this site Copyright 2018 TheAMCForum unless otherwise noted, all rights reserved. https://www.consumerreports.org/car-maintenance/study-shows-top-tier-gasoline-worth-extra-price/. Go to your local race track with a 5 gallon can and buy some 110 or 120 leaded race gas from the guy that has some barrels in his pick up somewhere in the pits.. $10 - $15 per gallon. Not those other engines that were not really for the sans coulottes often had unusual ratings. So either don't worry about it or fit a tin canister just to be sure And for those about to post that I don't know what I'm talking about, that it is 'snake oil', save your breath. Car was his first love and passion. airframe. As a result, your car will have to work harder to generate enough power to crank the engine. The lead subs. whether because of transportation problems (alcohol absorbs water) or Honda ATF DW-1 Equivalent [Safe Alternatives To Use]. 8 years after I had rebuilt the carb I removed the cover and found this: Pretty clean after all those horror stories. needed to go around again. Water does a better job of heat transfer, and it doesn't smoke. Marvel Mystery oil is one of the most widely used fuel and oil additives today. Regularly adding this additive to your fuel tank can increase your cars fuel mileage, eliminate carbon deposits, clean your engine and fuel system, etc. Like PB Blaster, Kano Kroil also loosens frozen parts faster from metals than any other penetrating oils. and with the wind whistling through the gaps between the windows and the